@elan Originally it was the only thing you could do if you didn't want to Microsoft. Now, I suspect there's millions of lines of stuff and it's become millennial COBOL.

@francis @elan

It's totally the COBOL of the 90s, but also...

I don't use it now so much b/c I'm not coding so much, but if I were to choose something that has strong typing, is highly performant (no GIL, f'rinstance), has a lot of 3rd-party tools and is likely to still be around (and viable) in 30 years when my big clanking enterprise software was till running... I'd lean toward Java.

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@tarheel @elan

Definitely. Plus the later versions with the autoboxing (iir the name correctly) and (finally) lambdas is quite mature. Took a long time to get there though.

I'd still stay away from committee-led massive consultancy fees nonsense like EJBs though.

Just typing all those curly braces, and everything is a noun, memories make me shudder. :)

Although - Java or the JVM? There are a lot of interesting things that use the JVM.

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@francis @tarheel @elan Yeah, I don't always write Java, but when I do, I write Kotlin now. Literally all the benefits of Java ecosystem AND the JVM but more modern syntax.

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