There is nothing inscribed upon the fabric of reality which says nations can't simply coexist peacefully and collaborate toward the common good of all beings, can't turn away from our primitive impulses of domination and control, can't do anything but drift passively toward nuclear annihilation all because a few imperialists in Washington convinced everyone to buy in.
I can only speak for myself. Peace talks need to happen without the warmongers interfering. And then the pathological liars need to tell the truth for once. It's a tall order.
US and EU quite happy to spend Ukrainian lives. More weapons not the answer, if that's what you mean by support. We need to get off the escalator that ends with nuclear war.
When he was VP Biden spent $5bn to overthrow the government there - or did you forget that?
There was no need for any of it, but it suited the warmongers. The "good guys" hands are covered in Ukrainian blood and were before the invasion started.
@francis @skolima @snipe That post is revisionist bullshit and absolutely ignores the economic reality in Ukraine. It’s telling how’s there are absolutely no numbers in there at all
Also, Russia fell into NATO’s trap? Are you kidding? Putin has been building up justification to annex all of Ukraine for YEARS.
@francis Nice, quoting one of the most notorious tankies around. Powerful countries invading weaker ones is ALWAYS wrong.
The US was wrong in Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, Russia is wrong to invade Ukraine both in 2014 and last year (despite signing two treaties saying it wouldn’t), and China would be wrong to invade Taiwan.
If it’s OK for Russia and China to do it, why is it bad for the US?
@dssstrkl You win the whuddabout me love imperialism award for today, go with pride back to your bunker. Who needs lighting when they glow in the dark?
The source of most destruction and rapine in the world should not be immune from criticism, been at war since it was founded, been robbing and enslaving poorer peoples and countries just as long.
Tankie is a word that indicates you aren't very good at critical thinking, btw.
@francis Typical tankie response with nothing of substance.
I didn’t say you can’t criticize the US, I said wars of aggression are always wrong. If it was bad for the US to invade Afghanistan, was it also bad when the USSR did? (Hint: yes)
You’re the one siding with the authoritarians threatening to use nukes.
The US has a fucked up, bloody history, for sure, and the WoT cost it a lot or moral authority, but that hardly gives Russia and China carte blanche to invade their neighbors
Socialists are anti-war, and it doesn't matter who the warmonger is. I didn't give Russia and China carte blanche either! Neither does Caitlin.
But you seemed to think I did.
US has no moral authority, it's an armed colonial white supremacist multinational gang. None of them do.
Tankie is just a lazy term which means you can't actually make an argument. I try to be non-sectarian and talk to and understand everybody without straw-manning their arguments.
@francis
Explain then your end game to this war that doesn’t involve sacrificing Ukraine (& Moldova, the Baltics, etc) to Putin’s stated desire to reform the USSR, regardless of what the people in all of the former SSRs think about it
Same for China and Taiwan
Pacifism does not preclude fighting in self-defense when you’re attacked, nor asking your allies for help
You still haven’t articulated what the US is doing wrong, other than ‘US bad, always wrong’ while accusing me of being lazy
I'm just some guy.
Why the fuck would I presume to have an end game? I'm not that arrogant. The people that live there need to sort it out without a bunch of entitled pricks in white hats telling them what to do. It's not a cowboy movie.
The USSR is long gone. If Putin wants to reform the old empire that's a different question. Russia is capitalism red in tooth and claw - very different beast.
Russia is an imperialist country doing imperialist things. Including extending empire.
@francis The Ukrainians are begging the US and EU to send more weapons. They’re still asking for more modern tanks and F-16s. For ATACMS artillery. They seem to be pretty clear that they want Russia out of Ukraine, including the Donbass and Crimea
I call you a tankie because you want to take their agency away from them because US ALWAYS BAD
Biden bought their agency in 2014
Zelensky is bought and paid for, has smashed trade unions, and got into bed with fascism and is in the pockets of big money. It was never on the plan to implement the Minsk accords even though that's what he ran on to get elected.
US imperialism never wants anything good for anyone else. It isn't in its nature. There are no good guys. Just a struggle for dominance and who gets to keep everything. It's not hard to understand.
@francis Russia is not capitalistic, they’re way closer to straight fascism. You might want to learn what all these words actually mean, otherwise you’re as bad as the MAGAs’ ‘I hate me them socialist communist nazis’ nonsense
Fascism is capitalism when it can't use the liberal facade any more because it's too much in crisis. Historically it came out of crisis. Some places don't bother with the liberal facade first, that's all.
It's not worth arguing with you.
@francis Agreed. Enjoy continuing to scream into the wind tankie
Read a book, sweetie.
@francis @snipe What are you suggesting, actually?